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Post by The Red Factions on Nov 11, 2005 20:22:03 GMT
Comrades,
Today is Armistice Day, the day set aside for the remembrance of the millions who suffered horrible deaths on the battlefields of Europe to further the imperialist agenda of the ruling class.
We will remember the revolutions that ensued but alas, let us not forget the day when the Social Democrats revealed their true colours and betrayed the working class, by refusing to support the revolutionary efforts of Luxemburg and Liebknecht.
As the last of it's survivors are slowly but surely fading away, let us not forget, for that is the worst we can do.
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Post by Jako on Nov 11, 2005 22:07:12 GMT
Nice post. Though I'm not so sure about the dogma getting in the way of such decent sentiments.
But the most important thing, as you say, is remembrance.
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Post by EuroSoviets on Nov 12, 2005 11:16:12 GMT
It's only dogma when it comes from the left Jako. When National leaders stand up and praise those who died 'for the sake of the nation' etc, it is no less an expropriation of senseless death to a political cause - it just so happens that the political cause for which it is expropriated is preferred by the capitalist elite and the media.
I wore and wear my Poppy with pride.
The men who died were working class, betrayed by those who should have known better. In many cases these men left their loved ones against their will, conscripted into the bloody slaughter house of the Trenches across Northern France. What we should remember above all is that it can happen again. We have not yet eradicated the system that can make it happen - an in the memory of those young men who marched off so bravely to risk life and limb for people who regarded them as meat, we must eradicate capitalism.
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Post by Novhomoj on Nov 12, 2005 22:28:18 GMT
Do rich sons not also die in war? Has no leftist nation ever fought one?
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Post by Star City on Nov 12, 2005 22:56:30 GMT
Do rich sons not also die in war? Only if the command centre, far behind the font line, is hit
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Post by canteria on Nov 12, 2005 23:07:31 GMT
Face it- do you think rich kids go to war? No, not often. The majority arn't even in the command center. The army is disproportionatly represented by the working class.
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Post by Star City on Nov 12, 2005 23:16:40 GMT
...because the majority of the population is working class.
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Post by canteria on Nov 12, 2005 23:23:19 GMT
Yes, but it's like this- say 50% of the population is working class. 70 percent of the army would be wroking class.
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Post by Revolutionary Masses on Nov 13, 2005 22:47:36 GMT
Interestingly many of british royal family served and got quite close to the front up to the falklands I believe, *hopes harry gets shot in iraq* ...ahem!
More seriously I had my two minutes silence, may they never be forgetten.
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Post by Star City on Nov 14, 2005 0:02:02 GMT
Interestingly many of british royal family served and got quite close to the front up to the falklands I believe By 'many', do you mean Prince Andrew?
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Post by Ketoprofen on Nov 14, 2005 10:50:09 GMT
Those with money and contacts ensure that their sons are not sent to the frontline, as happened with Al Gore for example. As for Armistice day, I attended a small ceremony in the embassy of France in Stockholm and we held one minute of silence at 11.00 AM during classes... it's not a holiday here in Sweden since we didn't participate in the war though.
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Post by Revolutionary Masses on Nov 14, 2005 11:18:04 GMT
I was reffering over a wider timescale WW2 onwards. LOL
I held mine in our modal boat international meeting hall.
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Post by Star City on Nov 14, 2005 13:52:27 GMT
Is it wrong to have been asleep during the one-minute silence? Were you snoring? Those with money and contacts ensure that their sons are not sent to the frontline, as happened with Al Gore for example. Not forgetting George W Bush who offered his life to protect Texas from North Vietnamese bombers.
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Post by Jako on Nov 14, 2005 22:06:44 GMT
Those with money and contacts ensure that their sons are not sent to the frontline, as happened with Al Gore for example. If my memory of political arguments from 2000 serves me well.... George W Bush supported the Vietnam War but stayed home in Texas with the National Guard, whereas Al Gore was against the war but actually went to the front line as a war correspondent?
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Post by Star City on Nov 14, 2005 22:29:17 GMT
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