EuroSoviets
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Post by EuroSoviets on Nov 15, 2005 15:48:59 GMT
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Post by Star City on Nov 15, 2005 22:42:05 GMT
Heretic! Anyway, how is CNN is a more trusting source, given the date they coincidentally published that piece (the 2000 election)? |
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EuroSoviets
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Founders of the Allied States of EuroIslanders.
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Post by EuroSoviets on Nov 17, 2005 23:26:36 GMT
Read the article. It is very sympathetic to Gore.
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Dalioranium
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Post by Dalioranium on Nov 19, 2005 17:51:33 GMT
Just because something is sympathetic doesn't mean it is wrong. I identify very much with the plight of the less-fortunate in my city, but does that make the facts I find and tell someone wrong? Anyways, I do think Gore is (amongst American politicians) one of the better folks out there. After all, you can't deny the various issues he spearheaded during his short time, and despite his mistakes he was usually a voice of moderation and reason in that nation.
Just because somebody does not fall in step with.. proper Marxist philosophies... does not make them a good person or invalidate the good things they try to do (regardless if you think them misguided or wrong). The world isn't black and white and I'd rather have shades of grey like him then like Tony Blair, thank you very much.
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Post by Novhomoj on Nov 26, 2005 22:28:50 GMT
Do rich sons not also die in war? Only if the command centre, far behind the font line, is hit That's a bit too general. It is entirely possible, and it does happen, that wealthy sons do join the armed services (family tradition, be part of something larger, moral beliefs). It was definitely the case in old Europe, but in the American armed forces class consciousness is rarely an issue -every Jarhead is equally worthless, for example. |
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Post by Revolutionary Masses on Nov 28, 2005 18:08:30 GMT
In the US is always seems to me (i am not american so its just observational) to be less social class and more finacial and race/religion segregation.
Indeed in the case of the US its the rich, influencial and predominantly christian and maby jewish that would be sitting in the command bunker!
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Kulikovo
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Post by Kulikovo on Nov 28, 2005 23:22:03 GMT
It's a sad truth with the financial and race/religion segregation. All but one of our presidents have been Protestant. The one Roman Catholic one was JFK, and we all know what happened to him (not saying he was killed ONLY for that reason). Many believe that if America had a Catholic president, then he would take orders from the Pope (which I don't see how anyone could honestly believe that).
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Post by Revolutionary Masses on Nov 29, 2005 11:04:36 GMT
LOL
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Post by Star City on Nov 29, 2005 14:52:05 GMT
It's a sad truth with the financial and race/religion segregation. All but one of our presidents have been Protestant. The one Roman Catholic one was JFK, and we all know what happened to him (not saying he was killed ONLY for that reason). Many believe that if America had a Catholic president, then he would take orders from the Pope (which I don't see how anyone could honestly believe that). There's footage of a hustings-type event in which a member of the audience asks JFK if he will be taking orders from the pope. |
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Post by gratedlemons on Nov 29, 2005 20:40:05 GMT
Proof that some people are incredibly dim-witted...
And the thing about the rich sitting in Command Centres or not being on the front lines in WWI often the Officers in the trenches weren't anything but rich kids. Yes they had better lving conditions than the men they Commanded but they still hadtto sit through all the bombardments.
PS i refer to the British, most German troops/Offiers were in concrete bunkers were possible, we didn't have any on the lines that (in a significant number anyway.)
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Post by Star City on Nov 29, 2005 21:03:34 GMT
Most of the German Army was living in multistory concrete trenches with proper facilities... but I suppose they were on the offensive so holding the land wasn't a problem.
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Post by gratedlemons on Nov 29, 2005 21:16:22 GMT
Ah glad to know somebody else has heard something along those lines too... *Wipes brow*
How did you wander so far off topic and back again?
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Kulikovo
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Post by Kulikovo on Nov 29, 2005 21:28:21 GMT
Who knows.
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Post by Novhomoj on Dec 2, 2005 6:30:48 GMT
In the US is always seems to me (i am not american so its just observational) to be less social class and more finacial and race/religion segregation. Indeed in the case of the US its the rich, influencial and predominantly christian and maby jewish that would be sitting in the command bunker! It is true that the US Military is disproportionately made up of poor Southerners. This is because there are few post-secondary opportunities for them. The military offers many benefits straight out of high school, with no prior experience required, that most other profession do not have. Having come from a family of poor white Southerners ( dirt poor), this also entails me to a long heritage of military service. I also know several individuals who have enlisted, even rich white kids straight out of high school, and some who are in Iraq right now. It is my experience that racial and religious segregation is not a fact within the US Military. Capability and length of service are more important factors in promoting someone. Things have gotten better since that time, fortunately. The main reason why officers may tend to be upper class is that they have gone to college which has not traditionally been open to poorer classes (thankfully that has changed). I would disagree that many of our earlier presidents have been diest, atheist, agnostic or nonreligious. Then why say it if you just said it isn't true? Sadly there are people out there who listen to Jack Chick. I cannot dispute that. |
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Post by Blackbird on Dec 2, 2005 21:49:26 GMT
JFK was barely a Catholic.
He was too into the philsophy that was becoming in vogue then, Sartre and club. I don't see how you could realistically call him Catholic in belief when he was so into existentialism.
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