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Iran
Oct 19, 2005 18:44:57 GMT
Post by Revolutionary Masses on Oct 19, 2005 18:44:57 GMT
Had my first debates meeting at the univercity today and we started off with this issue:
"Should Iran be invaded to prevent it gaining nuclear weapons?"
What are the opinions of this board? This can also go for NK or any other potential nuclear state to be.
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Iran
Oct 22, 2005 10:55:03 GMT
Post by The Red Factions on Oct 22, 2005 10:55:03 GMT
Did you mean to ask "Should the US invade Iran?"
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Iran
Oct 22, 2005 15:48:29 GMT
Post by Star City on Oct 22, 2005 15:48:29 GMT
As long as everyone else has them, why shouldn't they? The US is as irresponsible as North Korea or Iran. And this might not be the appropriate thread to point out that under the NPT, US economic aid to Israel is illegal since Israel will not open their facilities to international inspection. They invaded Iraq for no less.
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Iran
Oct 22, 2005 22:26:34 GMT
Post by Star City on Oct 22, 2005 22:26:34 GMT
Yes, but you can't alter the rules because they have been broken. I for one would rather not see nuclear weapons put into the hands of an undemocratic religious fundamentalism, where they can be used on a whim with no consequence. Are you talking about Iran or America?
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Iran
Oct 22, 2005 23:34:45 GMT
Post by turbacz on Oct 22, 2005 23:34:45 GMT
Hah! I got a good laugh from that. The US has its own fundie wackos, and they're in the White House to boot.
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Iran
Oct 23, 2005 10:54:46 GMT
Post by Revolutionary Masses on Oct 23, 2005 10:54:46 GMT
After the trouble it had with Iraq I dont belive that the US would go into Iran on its own, its just too streached at the moment. I find myself agreeing with Jimmin but sympathising with the point that others have it why carnt I. I think that maby Iran having the bomb would be benifical as it would be a balance against Isreal, I dont believe that either would use thier weapons as the destruction would be too great, it would just make people get off their high horses!
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Iran
Oct 23, 2005 20:37:38 GMT
Post by Star City on Oct 23, 2005 20:37:38 GMT
Hmm... if Iran had a nuclear arsenal, Israel certainly wouldn't fire for fear of reprisal. MAD all over again
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Iran
Oct 24, 2005 0:10:54 GMT
Post by small green plants on Oct 24, 2005 0:10:54 GMT
In an ideal world no one would possess or desire nuclear weapons and I can think of no valid reason for their existence. No one but a total madman would even consider launching such devices, sadly they are under the control of such people. I maintain that you cannot force a political or religious outlook on people and persuasion is a far more effective weapon. The macho image of " I am physically the strongest, you will do as I say" should have long ago been laid to rest and has no place in a modern intelligent society
"I am become death, shatterer of worlds." - Robert J. Oppenheimer (1904-1967) (citing from the Bhagavad Gita, after witnessing the world's first nuclear explosion)
On a side note I seem to recall that at the time of the world's first nuclear test there was some uncertanty as to what would actually happen. One school of thought was that a chain reaction may be set up in the atmosphere that would incinerate the entire planet, someone made the decision to go ahead anyway... Hmm I intend to research this.
Who authorised the first nuclear test?
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Iran
Oct 24, 2005 0:42:28 GMT
Post by Star City on Oct 24, 2005 0:42:28 GMT
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Iran
Oct 24, 2005 7:37:32 GMT
Post by Ketoprofen on Oct 24, 2005 7:37:32 GMT
The US is no position to ban nuclear weapons in Iran. The US is the only country to have used it against civilians in human history. Twice.
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Iran
Oct 24, 2005 23:27:19 GMT
Post by Star City on Oct 24, 2005 23:27:19 GMT
and I am certainly uneasy about the possibility of Iran's political elite gaining access to them. Why? They'd never use them. That's their entire point. If an invasion force is going to deny a state access to nukes, they have to do it before they have them. The US isn't so stupid as to invade when they do - eg, North Korea. Hence, Iraq had none and the "coalition" happily invaded.
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Iran
Oct 25, 2005 12:00:54 GMT
Post by Revolutionary Masses on Oct 25, 2005 12:00:54 GMT
I agree with you Dan on all points, an atomic elite I suppose would be preffered though, at least that way there are less fingers to press the button! The US agressive line I would say is currently pushing Iran towards the bomb as it is the only way it can see of realistically defending itself. Once it has the bomb it could use it as a stick with which to threaten other nations. Do people take Iran seriously as the leader of the Arab wourld, somthing that Saddam attempted but failed after GW1?
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Iran
Oct 25, 2005 22:37:41 GMT
Post by Star City on Oct 25, 2005 22:37:41 GMT
that doesn't mean I have to embrace it as a fundamentally good thing. Nor do I... However, that's in direct conflict with my primitive love of huge explosions.
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Iran
Oct 27, 2005 19:54:01 GMT
Post by Jako on Oct 27, 2005 19:54:01 GMT
and I am certainly uneasy about the possibility of Iran's political elite gaining access to them. Why? They'd never use them. That's their entire point. I wouldn't be too sure. You're coming from a rational, secular viewpoint, whilst the Iranian theocracy is full of some of the most extreme religious nuts on the planet. We make jokes about the administration occupying the White House right now, but I think their fundamentalist fervour pales into insignificance in comparisson to the zealots in Tehran. The Iranian state is constantly trying to indoctrinate its people with slogans such as "death to Israel, death to America, etc". Would it be so surprising if they seriously believed themselves to have a divine right to start a nuclear conflict? And the situation is made more complex with much Iranian youth demanding liberal democratic reforms - the long-term prospects for the regime do not look too stable at the moment. And a jittery government can do some wacky things....
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Iran
Oct 27, 2005 23:53:09 GMT
Post by Star City on Oct 27, 2005 23:53:09 GMT
The Iranian theocracy doesn't believe their own words any more than capitalists believe capitalism is good for everyone.
The Iranian government just keeps the country subdued with hate for Israel rather than at the authoritarian regime at home.
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